[Andy @ Sep 14th 2007 4:36PM]

I guess it makes sense. The math does not work out, and so far this "disc" is as credible and existent as the 8 layer Blurays with 200GB. Its a theoretical and practical possibility, but not even close to production.

[Patrick @ Sep 15th 2007 12:18PM]

Andy, so adding an extra layer on a HD-DVD is just as credible as adding 5 on a BD? Sounds like a bit of fanboyism to me. Sounds like the BD group are really sh*tt*ng their pants lately.

[Jesse S @ Sep 14th 2007 5:02PM]

I'd be shitting myself if I had support from nearly every major corporation too.

[TrentD @ Sep 14th 2007 5:22PM]

The math DOES actually work out if 17GB layers are used, which is what the proposed 34 and 51 GB discs do. By changing the pitch a little bit, you can get that kind of capacity. It's currently unknown, but believed that a firmware update could allow current HDDVD owners with early players to watch the 17 GB layer discs.

[E71 @ Sep 14th 2007 5:34PM]

Who cares if 51GB HD-DVD trumps BD... that's as far as HD-DVD goes... end of the line. Whilst BD will go way beyond, all the way to the finish line at 200GB. .|. HD-DVD .|. Toshiba

[Dave @ Sep 14th 2007 5:37PM]

Actually, BD can't even manufacture 50GB discs. Due to manufacturing problems (pooling), which I'll bring up as many times as I have to until people get it, they can't even do a full 50GB. They're pretty much maxed out at 45GB--and most Blu-Ray discs are single layer...which are usually maxed at around 22GB for the same reason. But you think they're going to get to 200GB? Insiders claim yields for dual-layer Blu-Ray are still at only 50%! What do you think their yields would be like if they shot for another layer?

[Temple @ Sep 14th 2007 5:39PM]

Honestly, if it ain't compatible with any of the HD-DVD players currently on the market 51GB HD-DVD is useless. Same as 200GB Blu-ray disks.

Also, I thought that the stance of the HD-DVD group was that the 50GB that current BD offers is pointless?

[Andy @ Sep 14th 2007 5:49PM]

Well, a large portion of current BD movies are 50gb, with higher bitrate sound and video, so more space means less compression.

@Dave - So how do you explain the large number of movies on dual layer discs? Magic?

[Dave @ Sep 14th 2007 6:03PM]

Nope--there's nothing magical about a 50% yield. It's just trial and error--split down the middle. Half of them fail. Half succeed. The yields are 50% for dual-layer according to insiders on avsforum. And, actually, those are Sony's yields. Other manufacturers are, reportedly, having less luck and are getting 10% yields for dual-layer. I'm not trying to add FUD here. Honestly, that's the word from insiders on avsforum. Go there and look for yourself.